In dispute for the OAB-SP, Patricia Vanzolini demands transparency and diversity – 11/11/2021 – Power

For the first time, the dispute for the presidency of the OAB (Ordem dos Advogados do Brasil) of São Paulo, the largest branch in the country, will have two women running.

One of them is the criminal lawyer and professor Patricia Vanzolini, 49. She was Leonardo Sica’s vice runner in 2018, taking 3rd place with 16% of the votes. Now they have reversed positions.

Vanzolini bets on its potential to mobilize young law firms and repeats the proposal to “open the black box” of the sectional. For her, apathy and indifference towards the OAB are her biggest opponents in the election, which will take place on November 25th.

The lawyer criticizes the political positioning of Felipe Santa Cruz, the arrest in second instance and says that Lava Jato has been corroded by abuses, having in Sergio Moro’s entry into politics his “paddle of lime”.

What are the differential proposals in relation to other candidates? Our sheet is being built over the past three years. The OAB needs, first of all, to tidy up the house. [Dizer] no to re-election, which we consider a pernicious practice that harms management. [Também] we understand that if we have representation as a guideline, we need representation within.

What about transparency? The OAB’s financial management has to be taken out of the black box, it has to be taken from the 19th century. The current president was elected with this proposal to present a transparency portal. I challenge any economist or public account analyst to examine it because they will see that it is a somewhat opaque and not very transparent portal.

We have a series of strategic projects, from advertising to having a really transparent and easy-to-read portal.

What is your proposal in relation to the OAB annuity? First, there needs to be a shock of cleaning up accounts, that is, what is going in, what is going out, what is being spent. But we understand that it is possible to reduce the annuity.

His name was only released as a running mate in October. Why? It has a little bit of structural machismo. Because we both introduced ourselves as pre-candidates, but apparently people believed he was the real pre-candidate and that I was a pretend pre-candidate. And it never was.

One of the reasons my name was chosen has to do with my being a woman, but not only that. It also has to do with the fact that we live in a moment of deep apathy in relation to the OAB.

As I am a professor, alongside my career as a criminal law activist, and I have this empathetic contact with a large part of young law firms, we understood that I was a name that could mobilize, take people out of inertia.

How do you assess racial and gender quotas for the OAB? Both parity and quotas were such a bloody battle. It’s great that everyone understands how difficult it was.

The OAB has to mirror what society is. If society has half the women lawyers, it has to have half the women on the ticket. If you have 30% black lawyers, you have to have 30% black lawyers on the ticket.

But the approval in the sense of racial equity being allowed in a way that it did not need in all instances was timid.

Did they even discuss applying the 30% racial quotas on the board, as initially approved? We arrived, [mas] we looked for those people who were already very close, who were already engaged in the project and who already had a relationship with us. That was our criterion for choosing.

How do you evaluate the opinion of the OAB that points out common crimes and those of Bolsonaro’s responsibility? The OAB has an important role in the defense of democracy and it includes occasionally pointing out violations perpetrated by this or that government.

But for this institutional role to be well performed, it is not possible for the OAB to have any kind of self-interest, of party political interest.

That’s why I think it’s bad and harmful that the president [Felipe] Santa Cruz has a party ties and has announced its intention to run for state government [do Rio]. This puts his position in relation to the current government under suspicion.

Like mrs. does it position itself no ideological spectrum? The OAB is an entity that brings together and will always bring together pocket workers and Lullistas. Anyone who wants to be the head of an institution of this size has to remain in a state of neutrality.

As mrs. do you evaluate the performance of the STF? I have a lot of praise for the STF, but sometimes the Supreme Court exaggerates its so-called judicial activism. Sometimes it invades the sphere of other Powers. And the problem is that judicial activism is a blank check in the hands of the judiciary. Allowing the STF to legislate seems too reckless to me.

What is your position on second instance arrest? It seems to me one of those teratology situations [anomalia]. The Constitution says that no one will be found guilty until the final and unappealable criminal sentence. There’s no way to interpret it any other way. In my opinion, the Supreme was wrong to allow the arrest in the second instance and was right to forbid it.

What balance does the Lava Jato do? When Lava Jato started it was very auspicious, very hopeful. But it ended up being eroded by so much abuse. At the same time, it ended up being so contaminated by partisan politics that it lost almost 100% of its value.

The biggest harm is that the process conducted by Moro will prevent us from knowing whether Lula was guilty or innocent. Now Moro closes with a golden key. He leaves the magistracy, goes to the Bolsonaro government and launches himself as a pre-candidate for the presidency. This is the lime shovel at Lava Jato.

What is your reading on the new Administrative Impropriety Law? The old Administrative Misconduct Law was very open, I think the new law fixes some broad issues.

How do you evaluate the vaccination passport? The management of the pandemic and public health in Brazil is such a mess that it is difficult to even take a stand. We don’t have a national policy. This makes the situations the most unfair in the world, with the forums being closed while the malls were opened.

If there is a public health reason, it trumps individual reasons and should be upheld as a legitimate reason to demand a vaccine passport.

What is the position of mrs. in relation to abortion? The strategy of simply criminalizing the woman who has an abortion from the first moment of pregnancy is not having the desired effect. It is necessary for public policy to focus on a non-prejudiced and taboo-free manner and assess the best way to protect mothers and children. I don’t think it’s the OAB’s role to get involved in this at all.

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Patricia Vanzolini, 49

  • Graduated, masters and doctorate in law from PUC (Pontifical Catholic University) of São Paulo

  • Joined the OAB in 2002

  • Criminal lawyer and professor at Mackenzie Presbyterian University

  • In 2018, he ran for the vice-presidency of OAB-SP

  • Vice President: Leonardo Sica

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